058: Choosing and Packing Bug Out Bags and Men’s TacLite Pro Pant

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Bug Out Bags

Today we are discussing bug out bags.  Not what to put in them, but how to choose the correct one, and basics of packing one.


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Product Review

5.11 Men’s TacLite Pro Pant

Men's TacLite Pro Pant

From the Description:

Purpose Built

Modeled after 5.11’s Tactical Pant, the Taclite Pro Pant offers all the quality and utility you expect from 5.11 apparel.

Like Taclite TDU ripstop tactical pants, the Taclite Pro Pant is crafted from authentic Taclite poly/cotton ripstop fabric for outstanding comfort and performance in hot or humid climates, and features triple stitch reinforcements and extensive bartacking for maximum durability.

An action waistband and full gusseted crotch provide complete freedom of movement, while a Teflon fabric treatment protects against stains, spills, and soil. A double thick seat and knees enhance protection and resilience, the seven-pocket configuration includes 5.11’s signature strap and slash rear pockets, and an integrated D-ring at the hip holds your keys or ID.

At a Glance

  • Lightweight, breathable, comfortable
  • Ideal for hunting, hiking, and outdoor activities
  • Seven pocket configuration
  • Signature 5.11 strap and slash rear pockets
  • Teflon treatment for stain, soil, and spill resistance
  • Action waistband
  • Full gusseted crotch
  • Hip-mounted D-ring holds keys or ID


  • 14 oz. Taclite poly/cotton ripstop fabric
  • 48 individual bartacks in high stress areas
  • Double thick seat and knees (kneepad ready)
  • Triple-stitch reinforcement
  • Draw cord openings at bottom hem
  • YKK zippers
  • Prym snaps

My Take

  • Most of the one star reviews were complaining because of the 5.11  Men’s TacLite Pro Pant being too big and that they are too hot in tropical climates.
  • The rest were just talking about how nice they were.
  • I like the fit of these pants.  I have worn them throughout many days, and can tell that the guys at 5-11 have put time into the design.
  • The loop on the front is great for a carabineer of keys.  It also has a rear strap that can be used for attaching just about anything.
  • The rear pockets are angled to function similar to front pockets, and they make getting in the pocket very easy.

My biggest problems with the 5.11  Men’s TacLite Pro Pant are:

  • The waist band is the typical bunched up stitched band, which I don’t like.
  • Not enough pockets.  7 pockets is a bunch for the average person, but not for me.
  • The rear pockets.  They look strange and I imagine would make it easier for pick-pockets to get into them as well.

Final Thought:

Very good fitting pants, comfortable through the day.  The active band isn’t the style I like and neither are the pockets.  They are very utilitarian with the front D-Ring and the back strap, however.

I like the 5-11 brand, love the fit, but because the rear pockets not a big fan of these pants… unless hiking.

Topic of Discussion:

Bug Out Bags

1. Choosing the Correct Bug Out Bag and Right way to pack it

  1. 2 ways

a.Gather supplies, then choose bag

b. Get bag, then choose supplies

c. I recommend getting bag first

i. So you don’t pack your house in it

2. Considerations for choosing bag

  1. Color
  2. Capacity
  3. Torso Size
  4. Load Support
  5. Gear Access

3. Get the right color for you
a. Do not want to draw attention
b.Be prepared without “looking prepared”
c.Choose neutral or mute colors

i. If you use camo, OD green, or black you scream, “I am prepared and tactical”.

  1. I have lifesaving equipment in my bag… Just take it.

ii. If you use bright colors, you draw attention

  1. People can’t help but notice you

4. Decide on the Capacity based on how long you will be out

a. 1-2 Nights

i. 20-50 Liters

ii. 5-4.5 lbs
b. 2-3 Nights

i. 50-60 liters

ii. 2.5 to 5 lbs
c. 3-5 Nights

i. 60-80 liters

ii. 2.5 to 5+ lbs
d. 5+ Nights

i. 80+ liters

ii. 4-6+ lbs

5. Choose a Pack based on Torso Size

a. NOT height

b. Measure yourself
i. Base of your neck to your hipbone

ii. Women and children sizing is available from most manufacturers

  1. Their torsos are shorter

iii. Up to 15.5 in

  1. XS

iv.  16-17.5 in

  1. S

v. 18-19.5 in

  1. M / Regular

vi. 20+ inches

  1. L / Tall

6. Determine the Load Support or Frame of the Pack

a. Types of frames

i. External

  1. Better Weight Dispersal
  2. Further from body

ii. Internal

  1. Close to body
  2. Poor weight dispersal

iii.Hybrid Framed

    1. Perimeter Frame
      a. Trade off
      b. Better weight dispersal than internal
      c. Closer to body than external

7. Consider gear accessibility for purchase and know how to pack your bag

a. Unloading your pack stinks
b. You want a pack designed to organize and compartmentalize
c. Typical Pack Pockets

i. Main Compartment

  1. Where you will place the bulk of your items.
  2. Pack items that you don’t need constant access to
    a. Heavy items need to be center of pack, near your back
    b. Medium weight items get packed around the heavy core.
    c. Keep all the weight possible at your spine
    d. If weight is too high, you will be off balanced
    e. If weight is too low, you will lean forward to balance and overwork your back

ii. Sleeping Bag Compartment

  1. I prefer lashing on bags and tents
  2. This would be a good spot for a hammock pack and mosquito netting
  3. Keep the weight a little lower here

iii. Water Bottle Pocket

  1. I don’t like these, but I will place bottles in these as long as I can tie the bottle.
  2. If I can’t tie the bottle, it doesn’t belong to me

iv. Hip-belt Pocket

  1. Great for ID, a little cash, maybe a food bar

v. Top Lid Pocket

  1. Keep low weight here
  2. This may be used to fine-tune the balance of the pack

vi. Front PocketKeep light items that you will be needing alot in in all outside pockets

d. Typical Utility Features on a Pack

    1. i. Compression Straps

      1. I use these for tightening my pack down to keep weight on my spine
      2. I also lash things down with them

ii. Hydration bladder with drink tube

      1. This is almost perfectly designed to keep your heaviest item on your back
      2. You can drink on the fly

iii. Daisy Chain

      1. Perfect for items on carbiners
      2. Great for lifting bag

iv. Pole Loops

      1. I don’t use these much

v. Rain Hood

      1. Tucked away in a Velcro compartment to pull over bag

vi. MOLLE Compatibility

      1. Modular Lightweight Load-Carrying Equipment
      2. Lots of compatable options

a. Tool sheaths

b. Pouches

c. Medkits

d. And More

vii. I typically lash these to the front straps for ease of access

  1. Compass
  2. Gps
  3. Whistle
  4. Small – medium survival knife

8. Adjusting the fit of your pack

    a. Do this every time you put it on
    b. Do in this order:

i. Hipbelt

ii. Shoulder straps

iii. Load lifters

iv. Sternum Strap

v. Stabilizer Straps

vi. Final tweaks
9. Go to my podcast about Bug Out Bags Items for what to put in it.

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Ken is addicted to fitness and mountain biking. He is such a thrill seeker, people are starting to be concerned!He enjoys MTBing, Hiking, Climbing, Geocaching, Orienteering, Weight Lifting, and Wilderness Survival.

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